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Post by Rosie Lavochkin on Sept 10, 2013 23:12:31 GMT -8
Why do people get bored on InWorldz? For me, there is so much to see, buy and do that genuinely I find myself heading to SL or Island Oasis when I want peace and quiet. IW is my party grid... the place where I find most people to interact with, and the most fun place to be (and some days the hardest to work on because my IMs and the groups are pinging with interesting chatter non stop). Maybe I'm just picky about my clubs and parties, because I've only once been to a club in IW where it was walls of gestures and I know the club owner put a stop to that one on the spot... our DJs are, one the whole, great - they engage people - and we simply don't get barraged by a ton of demands/begs for 'Izzie love' the way we get demands for 'Linden love' non-stop in SL clubs.
I will say, sadly, IDI these days is very much 'The Unwelcome Island'. Whilst I've always felt uncomfortable with the ridiculous PG rating there, at least whenever I used to stop by in the past it was full of residents and people who really loved to stand and chatter. These days it's a desert island indeed, with a few mentors around, most of whom would rather talk amongst themselves and make it very clear that everyday residents stopping by is NOT WANTED. It feels like it's own little clique. Also in the past, as long as I made a token effort to cover the tits and ass, people were happy enough for me to be there. Now - I get IMs telling my bikini isn't PG *enough* and could I tone down my language, and do I think my jokes are entirely suitable for a PG environment. Chops and I managed a whole 10 minutes on IDI last time we went there voluntarily. I won't be going back again unless I crash land naked.
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Post by Eros Deus on Sept 11, 2013 0:17:04 GMT -8
It takes action to raise concurrency. People come in take a look, nothing going on, they leave. That's the intent behind the IDI classes. Show the new people the possibilities. Get current residents involved, which also gives them free air time at THE spot in InWorldz, The Welcome Center. If everyone picks up a little on their end then it will get rolling. The thing that SL enjoyed that InWorldz cannot, is that when SL was new there was no place else to go back to. They come in, can't find people then go back to SL where they know where to go. There is a saying, it takes a village to raise a child. In this case it is our grid, if we just sit around waiting things may not happen at all. IDK I like what you doing on IDI. Imma say it's awesome setting up all those events and organising and constantly making everyone aware of interesting classes on IDI. Thank you Keira ![](http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/random/sun.gif)
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Post by Eros Deus on Sept 11, 2013 0:21:00 GMT -8
When i'm on IDI, I chat with anyone even the trees. I know some people are very quiet, they like stand their for hours and not say a word. So please if you see me on IDI and I'm not busy helping a new resident. TALK TO ME PLEASE! ![](http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s10702.gif) I listen to and talk about anything ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 1:09:20 GMT -8
... These days it's a desert island indeed, with a few mentors around, most of whom would rather talk amongst themselves and make it very clear that everyday residents stopping by is NOT WANTED. It feels like it's own little clique ... Thank you Rosie, it's comments like yours that make all the time and effort spent greeting and helping new arrivals (and older residents) by so many unpaid volunteer Mentors seem so worthwhile... {Deep sigh...}
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Post by Rosie Lavochkin on Sept 11, 2013 3:27:40 GMT -8
... These days it's a desert island indeed, with a few mentors around, most of whom would rather talk amongst themselves and make it very clear that everyday residents stopping by is NOT WANTED. It feels like it's own little clique ... Thank you Rosie, it's comments like yours that make all the time and effort spent greeting and helping new arrivals (and older residents) by so many unpaid volunteer Mentors seem so worthwhile... {Deep sigh...} Aww I know Ark - it's horribly unkind of me to say what I think when it comes to mentors. I only wish I could be one of the folks who will cheer lead and kiss ass just because it's expected of me. Had you been there, or any of the other 'old timer' mentors I'm sure the atmosphere would have been as it always has been in the past - but these last couple of times I've been there, nope, 'fraid not.
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Post by Rhiannon McKenna on Sept 11, 2013 3:32:30 GMT -8
Well, from someone who values the truth, even when it hurts...
I'm glad, Rosie, that you're NOT a kiss-ass cheerleader fangrrl. We all need more people to speak the truth and say it loud - or else nothing ever gets fixed, nothing ever gets strengthened. And then when it all falls apart, people stand back and ask, "How did this happen?"
Gee, wonder how.
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Post by cracker on Sept 11, 2013 6:48:55 GMT -8
Ok I want to say something here.... I think the mentors are wonderful because they DO give up their IW time to welcome new members. However I created a new avi for my rl brother to use IW and this gave me an insight into what it feels like to arrive at IDI. Seeing as it was for my brother it was a male avi...interesting for me.
When he arrived he was greeted very nicely by a trainee mentor for whom i have the highest regard. She was brilliant but I won't name her here. There was another mentor there too but she was wearing a "Deviant" tag not a mentors tag. Various other avatars were present which gave me an interesting flavour of IW though I wouldn't say they were inappropriate....but some sent me IMs and gave me things I didn't ask for. It might be a good idea to ask or even require residents who hang out at IDI not to do that because it seems official Mentors can't promote any particular merchant but anyone else hanging out there can. Confusing for a new arrival?
On several occasions this avi returned to IDI but as a returner avi was dunked in the water as it seems all returners are ...fine to keep the new arrivals place free for new arrivals but couldn't a returner spot be a bit more welcoming? One mentor when this avi said why do we land in the water said " we need new arrivals to have a bath before being allowed to meet the general population" yes funny...one mentor posted this issue on the forum asking for an action. The fact that the landing spot is the old default landing spot on the old IDI doesn't really address the issue of how new arrivals who return to IDI as "home" get a bath.... why on earth cannot a new landing point be created on earth? AS this thread is about concurrency and concurrency requires the retention of new arrivals (who are not YET residents) they might feel a bit more welcomed if..... when they return to IdI as "home" they have a more welcoming arrival?...and ,maybe more stuff there so they don't feel quite so unimportant.
this avi donned the explorer hud to find the things he needed to build his avi and set off for the freebie section(the first place you just fall off the platform so that needs fixing,... as a virgin avi just wouldn't know to fly up again and then click to sit somewhere as I could do) but in any case wherever he went he found it really difficult to locate stuff for males. In the end he went off to other places i already know of. New virgin avatars who have no experience in virtual worlds just...wont know that!
on one ocassion when he was at IDI there was an issue of discontent being expressed by a new resident that the mentor was naked (she was wearing mesh clothes) and yes he was being very rude about it ...but all he was told was repeatedly that he was using the "wrong viewer" and that she was dressed....(making it his "fault" that he couldn't see her clothes?)....without any attempt to tell him why the viewer he was using couldn't see her clothing... so if he was a "virgin" to VW... how would he know what "the wrong viewer" means? That mentor just told him that if he couldn't "behave" himself she would call a senior mentor who would freeze and mute him and even eject him for being rude. Would it not have been more helpful to explain?.. and as the V2 viewer is not available yet on the official download page where new registrations will go to download a viewer, would it be a good idea for mentors just not to wear mesh clothing at IDI? Just trying to think about workarounds to that particular problem. This avi did suggest to that mentor to change outfits to resolve the immediate issue but was ignored. IMO all she had to do was change outfits. Not a lot to ask?... i.e. don't make the new arrival "wrong" ...
but on one ocassion he returned to IDI and there were 4 mentors there at least one of them a senior mentor. Even tho there were no new arrivals to deal with, all these mentors were just silent to the extent that I assumed they were either afk or in private IM. Not one said ..Hi how are you doing.... even tho I had new resident tag on. It felt quite spooky really and I think..if I had been genuinely a new avi, i would have been quite put off by that. This went on for 20 minutes and then i logged out.
I am absolutely NOT trying to dis the Mentors but just trying to say if we talk about concurrency we need to be exploring what keeps people here and what they might experience in their first few logins that might just make them think "cant be arsed" with it.
Also when we are talking about VR " virgins" (with no previous experience of SL or any other grid) the board you can click to call up a list of online mentors available to help you assumes you know to click search and enter a name under people and get up a profile and then send an IM. IMO much better to have a online pager board that enables that to happen much easier and more directly by just clicking it and writing a message (or just clicking it and getting a message that says your request for assistance has been sent and (?) will get back to you asap (please look at your IM inbox which will be found .... . etc)
I think the "classes" at IDI are a good idea...tho i think "classes" is not the best term to use as some can be classes and some can be information sessions.
Ok I shut up now
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Post by Hairy Thor on Sept 11, 2013 7:18:23 GMT -8
As a mentor in training, I can only speak for myself. When at IDI, I personally make sure I'm at the keyboard at all times. If for some reason I have to be afk for a moment or two. I move away from the line of sight of new arrivals. During conversation with a new arrival, if I find out that a virtual world is a new experience for them, I direct them toward the IVB portal where they can learn the basics of the viewer's operation. As for the other problems you've raised, I can't reply to that, as I've never experienced them. Problems with the Explorer Hud can be brought up with either Judy or Sunny and their team of volunteers. The beta viewers are listed in the d/l section of the iw home page and available to all.
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Post by Rosie Lavochkin on Sept 11, 2013 7:18:32 GMT -8
Just to stall any drama llamas before they get a-galloping. "Deviant" is my groups tag, and I don't condone or encourage any promotion of my brand on IDI. </end PSA>
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Post by Amaranthim on Sept 11, 2013 7:23:55 GMT -8
If I ever get a computer....
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Post by Rhiannon McKenna on Sept 11, 2013 8:37:34 GMT -8
![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Technology's great when it works...
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Post by Keira Alzael on Sept 11, 2013 11:57:53 GMT -8
I hear you on the virtual club atmosphere. I find it is often better to turn up the sound and walk away if it is someone I really want to hear. The mindless ticking on gestures filling up my screen is totally annoying to me. And don't even get me started on how rude it is to throw gestures with sound out during a gig!
Rosie I can see how you would think it to be asskissing cheer leading activities you'd rather not engage in. I wouldnt either. I do what I do because complainers drive me totally batty. I see such easy fixes requiring only time. Much like your Bohemian group, it takes someone to get up and bang the drums to get people to participate.
On mentors not wearing mentor tags... That mentor may have just arrived and had not yet changed tags or did not intend to be on duty. If a mentor goes ask they are to take off their tag. Memory is a big player on keeping tags straight. I offer this because there are many scenarios for why things at IDI may appear the way they do at any given moment in the day.
Should everyone who volunteers to stand on IDI be professional? Certainly, however they are also unpaid volunteers in an often thankless job, and are frequently targets of bored childish avatars who have nothing better than to annoy everyone within hearing range. Everyone has their good and not so good days.
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Post by Rhiannon McKenna on Sept 11, 2013 12:13:09 GMT -8
I'm just grateful that so far (knocks on her processed wood desk) IDI is not as bad as the Welcome Centers in SL!
I'm still under therapy for the last time I landed in a 'welcome' center...
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Post by Eros Deus on Sept 11, 2013 12:57:04 GMT -8
I love the new welcome centre and I love mentoring there. Unfortunately unless we are told by the NR that they are being spammed on IDI by X, Y and Z, we can't say or do nowt. I do get suspicious when I see people standing around with their biz tags for yonks and not say a word, I'm thinking is this person just here to spam NR's ? Sorry to hear that some have been getting bad experiences on IDI but remember there are many mentors out there that go out of there way to help. I may sound biased, perhaps I am (being a mentor) hehehe ![](http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/CBSA/smileyvault-cute-big-smiley-animated-060.gif) . But we do our best and try to make everyone welcome and happy on IDI. There have been times when I'm like helping a few people including in IM's and I'm like constantly checking if I hadn't neglected anyone for too long. IDI is very important in retention, increase of concurrency and if anyone is being negligent or has lost passion in mentoring, then perhaps maybe they should either step down or step to the side. There is hardly any room to err, as a mentor you are the face of InWorldz, how you meet and greet is how the new resident shall percieve InWorldz.
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Post by kelly4u Lynn on Sept 11, 2013 13:36:46 GMT -8
I only stand around flashing my Tag in the hopes to get noticed and maybe lucky hehehe
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